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GERMAN WOMEN RAPED AT END OF WW2



One young officer coming upon a unit that had overtaken a column of German refugees fleeing westward later recalled: ‘Women, mothers and their children lie to the right and left along the route, and in front of each of them stands a raucous armada of men with their trousers down. The women who are bleeding or losing consciousness get shoved to one side, and our men shoot the ones who try to save their children.’ A group of ‘grinning’ officers was standing near by, making sure ‘that every soldier without exception would take part’.

Women and girls were subjected to serial rape wherever they were encountered. Rape was often accompanied by torture and mutilation and frequently ended in the victim being shot or bludgeoned to death. The raging violence was undiscriminating. Often, especially in Berlin, women were deliberately raped in the presence of their menfolk, to underline the humiliation.The men were usually killed if they tried to intervene. In East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia it is thought that around 1,400,000 women were raped, a good number of them several times. Gang-rapes were the norm rather than the exception. The two largest Berlin hospitals estimated that at least 100,000 women had been raped in the German capital. Many caught a sexually transmitted disease, and not a few fell pregnant; the vast majority of the latter obtained an abortion, or, if they did give birth, abandoned their baby in hospital. The sexual violence went on for many weeks, even after the war formally came to an end. German women learned to hide, especially after dark; or, if they were young, to take a Soviet soldier, preferably an officer, as a lover and protector. On 4 May 1945 an anonymous Berlin woman wrote in her diary: ‘Slowly but surely we’re starting to view all the raping with a sense of humour -gallows humour.’

She noted with a certain satisfaction that the Russian soldiers tended to prefer plump and well-fed women as their victims after the initial fury was over, and that these, unsurprisingly, were usually the wives of Nazi Party functionaries.



From The Third Reich At War by RICHARD J. EVANS


A picture in Stalinskoe znamia, the Stalingrad Front newspaper, on 8 September showed a frightened girl with herlimbs bound. 'What if your beloved girl is tied up like this by fascists?' said the caption. 'First they'll rape her insolently, then throw her under a tank. Advance warrior. Shoot the enemy. Your duty is to prevent the violator from raping your girl.' Such propaganda- almost a repeat of the theme in Konstantin Simonov's poem 'Kill Him!' - was undoubtedly crude, yet its symbolism closely reflected the mood of the time. AlexeySurkov's poem 'I Hate' was equally ferocious. The German violation of the Motherland could only be wiped out with bloody revenge.
(From Stalingrad, A Fateful Siege By ANTONY BEEVOR)

The hatred against the Germans was stoked by such propaganda during the Battle Of Stalingrad and was one of the reasons for the mass rape that followed as the Russian army entered German territory.


Below is an account of the mass rape in 1945 of German women by the Russians. The eyewitness was an ace Luftwaffe pilot, Erich Hartmann. The following narrative is an adaption from his biography, The Blond Knight of Germany: A biography of Erich Hartmann by Raymond Toliver and Trevor Constable

A WORD OF CAUTION! THE FOLLOWING ACCOUNT IS NOT FOR THOSE WHO LIKE THEIR HISTORY PLEASANT. WE CARRY IT BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SHAMEFUL EPISODE IN HISTORY THAT MOST OF THE WESTERN MEDIA HAS DOWNPLAYED. WE BELIEVE IT IS A STORY WHICH HAS TO BE TOLD HOWEVER UNPLEASANT IT MAY SEEM TO US TODAY. BUT REMEMBER THIS IS NOT SOME TALE; GERMAN WOMEN WENT THROUGH THE HORRORS IN 1945. WE CARRY IT HERE HOWEVER SHOCKING IT APPEARS TO US, SO THAT THE WORLD DOES NOT FORGET WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MAN DESCENDS INTO DARKNESS AND BESTIALITY. AT TIMES LIKE THESE WE REMEMBER GANDHI . ONE ALSO WONDERS WHO WERE THE VILLAINS DURING WW2. WHO WAS WORSE? THE ONES WHO STARTED IT ALL? OR THE ONES WHO FINISHED IT? WERE THE GERMANS THE BAD GUYS AND THE AMERICANS AND RUSSIANS THE GOOD GUYS OF WW2? THE TRUTH IS VERY GRAY.

Half-drunk Red Army soldiers, armed with rifles and machine guns, made unarmed Germans stand in rows. Other Russians forced women and girls to lie on the ground, tore off their clothes and began raping them. The male Germans could only silently clench their fists. U.S. soldiers from their truck looked on at all this with eyes wide open.

It seemed that they were simply paralyzed by the spectacle. When two young German girls, stripped naked, shouting all the time rushed to the truck and in desperation began to climb on it the American guards pulled them up. The Russians did not like this. Firing wildly into the air and shouting, they rushed to the American truck. The U.S. soldiers quickly readied their guns, and the truck raced away across the road. When it had disappeared, the Russian soldiers attacked the German women again.

A young German woman, a little over thirty, mother of a 12-year-old girl, knelt at the feet of a Russian corporal and prayed to God that the Soviet soldiers take her, and not the girl. But her prayers went unanswered. Tears streamed down her cheeks as she kept praying.

The Russian corporal walked away from the woman, his face contorted into a mocking grin. One of the soldiers hit the woman on the face with his boot. "Damned fascist pig!", he yelled. The young mother fell on her back. The soldier who had hit her, shot her in the head and killed her.

The Russians seized all the German women who were visible. The little daughter of the murdered woman was dragged behind a tank by the killer of her mother. He was joined by other Russians. For half an hour rang out wild screams and moans. Then, completely naked, the girl, unable to stand on his feet, crept back.

However, in the overall picture of the atrocities, the suffering of the girl was not anything special. The helpless German men tried to persuade the Russian guards to allow them to help the girl. Rifle at the ready, the Russian allowed a German medic to attend to the girl. An hour later she died, and her last sobs burned the hearts of Hartmann and his soldiers.

8 and 9-year-old girls were being repeatedly raped mercilessly by a brutalized Russian military. They showed no other feelings other than hatred and lust. Until all the monsters had satisfied themselves amongst the wild screams and wailing of women, Erich and his soldiers were under the muzzles of guns.

Spattered with blood, the Russian, lust satisfied, took over the covering of German soldiers. Mothers tried to protect their daughters, but they were beaten unconscious and dragged to the side, and then raped in that state. Even though Eric was a battle-hardened pilot, who had fought in hundreds of missions and who had received many wounds was struck in the heart by what he saw. By a superhuman effort of will he fought down an attack of vomiting.

Such an orgy just could not go on for long. Lust was sated, and began to appear the first signs of pity. Sometimes smiling, sometimes indifferent, sometimes a little depressed, Russian soldiers returned the women and girls. Those who were dragged away from the truck, nobody saw them again. Others fell unconscious in the arms of shaken fathers and husbands.

The Germans were herded into a makeshift camp in a meadow. They were allowed to go to the lake to wash and wash clothes. Then around the meadow was built a ring of 30 tanks to organize security for the night. Russian soldiers came again and again to the German women. The violence continued throughout the night, and stopped just before dawn. Women stumbled back, like broken dolls, after the Russian had satisfied themselves. Soldiers of JG-52 Squadron, which served E. Hartmann, had to make hard choices, and many of them made it.

When the first rays of the sun fell on the meadow surrounded by tanks, many Germans did not rise. Those who woke up, found themselves in a terrible realm of death, which was etched in red-hot iron in their memories forever. When Eric woke up, he saw a German sergeant with his wife and daughter lying beside him. The sergeant's wife quietly cut the veins of her hands with a homemade knife. Then he just killed his 11-year-old daughter, and then cut his own vein . Life slowly went away from them, while Eric lay nearby watching.

Other men strangled their wives and daughters and then hanged themselves on the sides of trucks. They preferred to die slowly and painfully. Erich began quietly talking to himself, to overcome the terrible effects of the bloody scenes in the mind. "You must live, Erich. You must survive to tell others about what happened. You can never forget what happens when man falls below any animal".
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The pattern, with soldiers flashing torches in the faces of women huddled in the bunkers to select their victims, appears to have been common to all the Soviet armies involved in the Berlin operation.

 This process of selection, as opposed to the immediate violence shown in East Prussia, indicates a definite change. By this stage Soviet soldiers treated German women much more as sexual spoils of war than as substitutes for the Wehrmacht on which to vent their rage. Rape has often been defined by writers on the subject as an act of violence which has little to do with sex. But that is a definition from the victim's perspective. To understand the crime, however, one needs to see things from the perpetrator's point of view,especially in this second stage when unaggravated rape had succeeded the extreme onslaught of January and February. 

The soldiers concerned appear to have felt that they were satisfying a sexual need after all their time at the front. In this most soldier rapists did not demonstrate gratuitous violence, provided the woman did not resist. A third stage in the process, and even a fourth, developed in the weeks to come, as will be seen.

But the basic point is that, in war, undisciplined soldiers without fear of retribution can rapidly revert to a primitive male sexuality, perhaps even the sort which biologists ascribe to a compulsion on the part of the male of the species to spread his seed as widely as possible. The difference between the incoherent violence in East Prussia and the notion of carnal booty in Berlin underlines the fact that there can be no all-embracing definition of the crime. On the other hand, it tends to suggest that there is a dark area of male sexuality which can emerge all too easily, especially in war, when there are no social and disciplinary restraints. Much also depends on the military culture of a particular national army.



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Source: Daily Mail
Stalin's army of rapists: The brutal war crime that Russia and Germany tried to ignore
By Andrew Roberts

The movie, A Woman In Berlin, is based on the diary of the German journalist Marta Hillers

A German girl walks past Soviet troops in a scene from A Woman In Berlin

Marta was one of two million German women who were raped by soldiers of the Red Army - in her case, as in so many others, several times over.

It was a feature of Russia's 'liberation' and occupation of eastern Germany at the end of World War II that is familiar enough to historians, but which neither country cares to acknowledge took place on anything like the scale it did.

For Russia, the episode besmirches the fine name of the Red Army that had fought so hard and suffered so much in its four-year campaign against the Wehrmacht.

The courage and resilience of the ordinary Russian in what they called the Great Patriotic War is incontestable, and for every five German soldiers killed in action in the whole of World War II, four died on the Eastern Front.

Yet the knowledge that the victorious Red Army committed mass rape across Prussia and eastern Germany as they closed in on Berlin degrades its reputation, which is unacceptable to many Russians today.

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VIDEO: GERMAN NEWSREEL MARCH 1945
The Mass Rape Had Already Begun......



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When the historian Antony Beevor wrote about it in his book Berlin: The Downfall, the Russian ambassador to London, Grigory Karasin, accused him of 'an act of blasphemy', saying: 'It is a slander against the people who saved the world from Nazism.'

Similarly, living Germans do not want the events that humiliated and violated them, their mothers and grandmothers to be held up to public examination, as this movie promises to do.

For many German women, the memory was something they sublimated and never spoke about to their husbands returning from the front.

It was the great unmentionable fact of 1945, which is coming out not just in history books, but in front of a mass, international audience. Painful memories of gross sexual abuse are being dragged out and held up to the pitiless witness of the silver screen.

Furthermore for the Germans, there is also the added sense that had it not been for Operation Barbarossa, Hitler's invasion of the USSR, these crimes would never have been committed against German womanhood in the first place.

Three million German troops crossed the Soviet border in June 1941 in an attempt to extirpate the Russian state, and the Nazi commitment to

Total War produced atrocities so terrible that they were bound to be avenged once the Red Army reached German soil.

As so often in war, it was to be defenceless women, girls and even elderly ladies who were to pay in pain and outrage for the crimes of their male compatriots.

Many had abortions or were treated for the syphilis they caught. And as for the so-called Russenbabies - the children born out of rape - many were abandoned.

In his fine new book, World War Two: Behind Closed Doors, the historian Laurence Rees points out that although rape was officially a crime in the Red Army, in fact, Stalin explicitly condoned it as a method of rewarding the soldiers and terrorising German civilians.

Stalin said people should ' understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle'.

On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he said: 'We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative.'

With all the young men killed German women were easy pickings for revenging Russians

While Stalin condoned rape as an instrument of state military policy, his police chief Lavrenti Beria was a serial rapist.

An American diplomat, Beria's bodyguard and the Russian actress Tatiana Okunevskaya all bore witness of his methods of grabbing women off the street and shoving them into his limousine and then his bed.

'You are a long way from anywhere, so whether you scream or not does not matter,' Beria would tell the women when he got them back to his dacha. 'You are in my power now. So think about that and behave accordingly.'

More than 100 school-aged girls and young women were drugged and raped by the man who ran the



NKVD, the feared forerunner to the KGB.

'All of which means, of course, that if reports of Red Army soldiers raping women in eastern Europe were sent to the NKVD in Moscow, they finally reached the desk of a rapist himself,' says Rees.

The rape of Berlin's female population - anyone between the ages of 13 and 70 was in danger - was cruelly vicious.

In one heart-breaking incident, a Berlin lawyer, who had somehow protected his Jewish wife from persecution throughout the Nazi period, was shot trying to protect her from rape by Red Army soldiers. As he lay dying of his wounds, he saw his wife being gang-raped.

'They do not speak a word of Russian, but that makes it easier,' one Red Army soldier wrote in a letter home in February 1945. 'You don't have to persuade them. You just point a revolver and tell them to lie down. Then you do your stuff and go away.'

It was unusual for Red Army soldiers to admit to rape in letters home, which is why this new German film is likely to shock Russian patriotic sensibilities.

Nor did the Germany's surrender calm the Russians' behaviour, at least in the short term.

'Weeks before you entered this house, its tenants were living in constant fright and fear,' the rich German publisher Hans-Dietrich Muller Grote wrote to President Truman about the place he stayed in during the Potsdam conference of July 1945.

'By day and by night, plundering Russian soldiers went in and out, raping my sisters before their own parents and children, beating up my old parents. All furniture, wardrobes and trunks were smashed with bayonets and rifle butts, their contents soiled and destroyed in an indescribable manner.'

Red Army troops in procession in Berlin, Germany. Their atrocities against the women were carried out in a sickeningly systematic manner

The Red Army's atrocities against women in Dresden in the spring of 1945, a city that had already suffered heavily from Allied bombing, were carried out in a sickeningly systematic manner.

'In the house next to ours, Soviet troops went in and pulled the women on to the street, had their mattresses pulled out and raped the women,' recalled one inhabitant, John Noble.

'The men had to watch, and then the men were shot. Right at the end of the street, a woman was tied to a wagon wheel and terribly misused.


'Of course, you had the feeling that you wanted to stop it, but there was no possibility to do that.' Women going to and from work past Red Army pickets were routinely raped.

The historian Chris Bellamy believes that although there are no surviving written records to prove it, 'the hideous spectre of multiple rape was not only condoned, but, we can be pretty sure, legally sanctioned by the political officers speaking for the Soviet government'.

Nor is it true that rape was mainly carried out by reserve units following behind the front-line troops.

The Russian war correspondent Vassily Grossman was embedded with the elite front-line Eighth Guards Army which committed rape, as did at least one of his own war correspondent colleagues.

As well as the estimated two million rapes in Germany, there were between 70,000 and 100,000 in Vienna and anywhere from 50,000 to 200,000 in Hungary, as well as thousands in Romania and Bulgaria, which had been pro-Nazi, but also in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, which had not been.

Indeed, as Beevor points out, the Red Army even raped Russian women who had been liberated from concentration camps, emaciated and wearing their prison uniform.

Overall, however, Russian soldiers tended to prefer plumper and better-fed women, and one diarist recorded the satisfaction felt by some Berlin women that these tended to be the wives of Nazi Party functionaries.

Vodka played a role, of course, but the worst of the behaviour was fuelled by sheer hatred and aggression, as well as a cold-hearted sense of deterrence for the future.


'It's absolutely clear that if we don't really scare them now, there will be no way of avoiding another war in future,' one Red Army soldier wrote at the time.

In a recently published book by the Professor of Modern History at Cambridge, Richard Evans, a young Russian officer is quoted recalling how when his unit overtook a column of fleeing German refugees: 'Women, mothers and their children lie to the right and left along the route, and in front of each of them stands a raucous armada of men with their trousers down.

The women, who are bleeding or losing consciousness, get shoved to one side, and our men shoot the ones who try to save their children.'

A group of 'grinning' officers ensured that 'every soldier without exception would take part'.

Evans records: 'Rape was often accompanied by torture and mutilation and frequently ends in the victim being shot or bludgeoned to death. The raging violence was undiscriminating.'

The insistence on the men watching the rapes was deliberate policy, intended 'to underline the humiliation'.

Underlying all this foul inhumanity was the way the German Army and its allies had behaved during its invasion of Russia.

That was clearly not the only explanation - it doesn't explain why the Red Army raped Poles, Czechs and Yugoslavs and even Russian women, for example - for that one has to delve deep into the darkest recesses of the male psyche.

Yet the four years of life-and-death conflict did brutalise the Soviet peasant-soldier and taught him to behave like a beast against the women of his enemies once he was given the chance. The Soviet-German war lasted 1,418 days without respite, and for sheer horror there is nothing to equal it in the long and monstrous annals of human warfare.

'It eliminated pity, abandoned any constraint, mocked even a semblance of legality,' wrote its foremost historian Professor John Erickson. The Germans drew up plans to exterminate or deport no fewer than 50 million Slav untermensch (subhumans) and as soon as they had attacked they instituted procedures for achieving this. In the end, no fewer than 27 million citizens lost their lives.

The Geneva Conventions were ripped up, as it was stated that no German soldier would be prosecuted for any 'ideologically motivated' murder of civilians.

Hitler's Vernichtungskampf (war of annihilation) against the Slavs merged into his Rassenkampf (war of racial extermination) against the Jews and Communists to create a Continent-wide slaughter.

Behind the advancing Wehrmacht, which won victory after victory in the first six months, were a series of Einsatzgruppen (action squads), whose 'special task' it was to liquidate Jews, Communists, partisans, PoWs, the disabled and anyone else thought to be 'enemies of the Reich'.

In forests across eastern and southern Russia, Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states, the populations of villages and towns were escorted to places of execution, ordered to dig their own shallow graves and then shot.

An estimated 1.5million innocent human beings are believed to have perished in this way. Yet, as Erickson puts it: 'Machine-guns and rudimentary gas vans could not cope with the demands imposed by mass extermination, prompting the search for a capacious gas chamber the like of Auschwitz.'

The 'scorched earth' policy adopted by the Wehrmacht led to millions more dying, and during the 900-day siege of Leningrad human flesh was semi-openly sold in the street. Small wonder that when 'Ivan' had his chance for revenge, he was going to take it in as gross and bestial a manner as possible.

The fact that the women of Germany were largely innocents, swept up in the horror rather than being responsible for it, meant nothing to an army that had lost 13.5 million casualties at the Germans' hands.

And what of the Allied advance in the West across Germany? It was not unknown for cases of rape to be reported, but they were considered a serious offence and punished accordingly.

The fact that today Germany is a peaceful democracy, indeed, in many ways a model country, can in large part be put down to the Red Army's monstrous invasion, but also to the ruthless bombing of its cities and towns by the British and U.S. air forces from 1941 to 1945.


The aggressive soul of Germany that had launched no fewer than five wars in the 75 years after 1864 was cut out by the experiences of World War II, and was thankfully not to reappear.

If made sensitively, this new film might be able to reconcile the two countries as they come to terms with the crimes committed in the first half of the Forties.

Equally, the capacity for reciprocated resentment is ever present. A Woman In Berlin is thus cinematic gunpowder. Yet neither side should hide from the harsh historical truths it tells, however unpalatable they may seem.

Masters And Commanders: How Roosevelt, Churchill, Marshall And Alanbrooke Won The War In The West by Andrew Roberts
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From the Telegraph
By Allan Hall in Berlin
Last Updated: 10:33AM BST 25 Oct 2008

Elderly victims have come forward to reveal the horrors of abuse committed by the Soviet soldiers.

The search to find their stories began as the film 'A Woman in Berlin' - which will be released in the UK early next year – opened to critical acclaim.

An estimated two million women faced savage, multiple attacks which would start with the spine-chilling words – 'Frau, Komm'.

The film is based on "Anonymous," an autobiographical account originally published by a German journalist and editor in the 1950s, describing her experiences between April and June 1945.

In one of the most moving passages in the diary, found in the rubble of Berlin, the victim wrote: "Shut your eyes, clench your teeth, don't utter a sound.

"But when the underwear is ripped apart with a tearing sound, the teeth grind involuntarily. I feel the fingers at my mouth, smell the reek of horses and tobacco. I open my eyes. Adroitly the fingers force my jaws apart.

"Eye looks into eye. Paralysis. Not disgust, just utter coldness. The spine seems to be frozen.

"Icy dizziness encircles the back of the head. I find myself floating and sinking deep down through the pillows, through the floor.

"Before leaving, he fishes something out of his pocket, throws it without a word on the table, pushes the chair away and slams the door behind him.

"What he has left turns out to be a crumpled pack of cigarettes. The fee."

Academics have begun recording the experiences of the victims while offering them comfort after staying silent for over sixty years.

Since Monday, nine survivors of the horrors visited upon them have begun speaking to researchers employed by Professor Phillipp Kuwert of Greifswald University.

"A systematic scientific processing of the trauma unleashed released by the rapes and the long-term silence over them is missing in our knowledge about them," he said.

In conjunction with the Cologne-based Medica Mondiale association which works with traumatised women, he hopes to interview hundreds of survivors for a lasting record of what occurred.

Most have hidden their agony and shame since those terrible days in 1945 when girls as young as seven and grandmothers as old as 90 were attacked by legions of drunken, depraved and diseased soldiers.

Women were raped on their death beds, pregnant women raped hours before they were due to give birth. Some women were raped by 30 men one after another and day after day.

"I can smell them now," said Ingeborg Bullert, now 83, but 20 when the soldiers came for her in her bomb cellar in Berlin.

Encouraged by the new project to record the testimony of victims before they die out, she has never before spoken of her ordeal.

"They smelled of horses and sweat and dirt. I smelled them before I heard their footfalls on the cellar steps, the cellar I thought I was so safe in...

"They were so young. One withdrew a wine bottle from his jacket, the other threw me to the ground. I was rigid from fear. And then they took me, one after the other, each holding a pistol in their hand.

"My mother asked me what had happened but I couldn't tell her. I didn't tell anyone, not until now. We all kept silent for too long."

Fear, shame and an overriding sense that there was little pity for them as members of the nation that started the bloodiest war in history contributed to their silent suffering.



Foot note: Book On Red Army Rapes In

Berlin Angers Russians (Source: Rense)


(
Reuters) - A new book about the fall of Berlin is angering Russians, who feel widespread pride in their victory, by describing the Red Army's brutal conduct during the final days of World War Two, including gang rapes.

In an interview, Antony Beevor, British author of the best-selling "Berlin: The Downfall, 1945", said the controversy stems in part from Russia's failure to come to terms with its Soviet totalitarian past. Germany, the war's loser, has long dealt with its Nazi crimes. "Germany really started to face up to the horrors of its past after it had an economic miracle," he said. "Russia hasn't had an economic miracle yet and it will take quite a long time even after it does before it starts to see things less in terms of the heroism of the Great Patriotic War. "When you're economically humiliated you hang on to that moment of great pride even more so and refuse to contemplate any dark side to it."

Alongside the rape of an estimated two million German women, more than half of them gang-raped, by Soviet soldiers, Beevor's research shows thousands of Ukrainian and Polish women were raped as the Red Army advanced westwards to end Hitler's reign. "By the time the Red Army reached Berlin, rape had evolved into treating women as carnal booty," Beevor said.

"For me, the most striking or horrific discovery from a Russian point of view was that Soviet troops raped young Russian and Ukrainian women, because that undermines any justification of Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge," he added.

Josef Stalin deployed 2.5 million troops, 7,500 aircraft, 6,250 tanks and 41,600 guns in the Battle of Berlin. The war victory - at a staggering cost of 27 million dead - is perhaps the only part of Soviet history that all Russians see with pride. Their May 9 Victory Day anniversary of the end of the war remains a major national holiday.

Moscow's ambassador in London, Grigory Karasin, described the book, which has yet to be translated into Russian, as "an act of blasphemy" and "a case of slander".

Beevor said: "What the Russians had not realised was the bulk of the material came from Russian archives. It's hard to say it's slander or to say it was all taken out of context." Beevor is a former army officer who has written a number of history books and works of fiction. His breakthrough work was "Stalingrad", a harrowing description of the one of the most brutal battles in history.

An incident in 1943, when a Red Army soldier taunted German prisoners in the ruins of Stalingrad with the words "This is how Berlin is going to look", inspired "Berlin: The Downfall, 1945".

Beevor received many letters from German rape victims saying they were glad their story was being told at last. "All of them say in relief: 'None of us dared tell our story because we didn't think anyone would believe us. You've now told the story.' That was extremely encouraging," he said.

He said it was German men who had suppressed the subject. "For them the worst humiliation was that their wives had been raped and they simply could not talk about it, they forbade their wives from talking about it and it became a taboo." Beevor says the story of the rapes, while important, has attracted more attention than he would have hoped.

Nearly 80,000 Russian soldiers died and more than a quarter of a million were wounded in the fight for Berlin. He said it was vital to understand the suffering of Russian soldiers at the hands of both the Germans and their own commanders. "The last chapters are among the saddest - that those people who survived the war thinking they were going to go back and be treated as heroes then found life was very hard to fit into."

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A German Woman Writes A Book.....
(From Der Spiegel)
Gabriele Köpp was repeatedly raped by Russian soldiers in 1945, when she was just 15. Now, at the age of 80, she has become the first German woman to write a book under her own name about the sexual violence she experienced during World War II.


Köpp has now written a book about those 14 days and about the rapes, titled "Warum war ich bloss ein Mädchen?" ("Why Did I Have to Be a Girl?"). The book is an unprecedented document, because it is the first work of its kind written voluntarily by a woman who was raped in the final months of World War II, and who, years later, described the experiences and made them into the central theme of a book.



There is "A Woman in Berlin," the famous confessions of a woman who was raped in World War II, which was first published in the 1950s and republished in 2003. But the woman was unwilling to disclose her identity, and it wasn't until after her death that it was revealed that the anonymous author was a journalist. To this day, there are doubts as to whether she truly wrote the book alone or whether there was a co-author who helped her to distance herself from the horrific events and, with distance, to achieve a voice -- a surprisingly free, confident and even flippant voice. 


Indeed, women have rarely reported voluntarily on their encounters with violence during and after the war. Experts describe this experience as a double trauma: the act of violence itself, and having to keep it hidden. Philipp Kuwert, a trauma expert and head of the department of psychiatry and psychotherapy at the University Hospital of Greifswald in northeastern Germany, began a research project last year on the repercussions of sexual violence in World War II, interviewing 27 women affected by such violence. He already has the results of his study but hasn't published anything yet. "It is one of the first and probably the last study of this nature, because 95 percent of the women who were affected are no longer alive."

No one knows exactly how many women became victims of sexual violence during the war. A figure of 2 million has been mentioned in various studies, but is considered unreliable because of the lack of concrete evidence. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that it was a crime committed against large numbers of women.

The average age of the women in Kuwert's study at the time of their rapes was 16.7, and each of the women was raped an average of 12 times. About half of the women continue to suffer from post-traumatic symptoms, including nightmares, suicidal thoughts and what is known as avoidance behavior, with 81 percent stating that the experiences had a massive impact on their sexuality. An "emotional anesthesia," or the avoidance of strong emotions, was typical for these traumatized women, says Kuwert.

"The motivation to study rape in World War II stems from my age group," says Kuwert. "We are running out of time," he adds, and points out that there are still many questions to be asked. There is documentation, of course, but many of the contemporary witnesses will soon be dead. For Kuwert, the only way to obtain a true picture of what happened is to examine the stories of individual victims.

THE NIGHTMARE BEGAN....

On the evening of Jan. 25, 1945, Köpp was packing her things, preparing to flee. Her mother told her to hurry, because the Russians were approaching the town, and she said that she would join her later. Köpp wanted to talk to her mother on that evening, but she was silent and barely spoke with her daughter, not even to warn her about the many things that could happen while she was fleeing. "In a sense, she allowed me to run headlong onto a knife," Köpp writes today, as an old woman.

On Jan. 26, 1945, Köpp and her older sister left the house. She would later learn that Soviet soldiers liberated the Auschwitz concentration camp the following day, Jan. 27. The ordeal that was about to begin for Gabriele Köpp had its roots in the crimes committed by her fellow Germans.

She hardly remembers saying goodbye to her mother. In fact, she writes, she has only recently allowed herself to think that there may have been no goodbyes at all.

She boarded a freight train with heavy sliding doors. The city had already come under artillery fire. At the time, she says, she never dreamed that it would be decades before she could return home. Peering through the small windows in the freight car, she realized that the train was traveling south, and not leaving the city in a northerly direction, as she had believed.

She knew that Russian tanks had encircled the south. After a short time, she heard the sound of artillery fire, and the train came to a stop. The locomotive had apparently been hit. The sliding doors were locked, and the only way to get out of the car was to crawl through one of the high windows. She was an athletic girl and managed to pull herself up to the window, and a soldier pushed her through the small opening. Her sister remained behind in the train. She would never see her again.

She fell into the snow, lying flat on the ground at first to protect herself from the gunfire. Other refugees had also managed to escape from the train, and they began running toward a farm and then a nearby village. Köpp followed them. A baker let her into his bakery.

In the village, Soviet soldiers carrying large flashlights searched for girls in the dim light. One of them grabbed Köpp. The next day, she was chased to another house, where she was raped by a soldier, and then by another soldier soon afterwards. The next morning, she was pushed into a barn and raped by two men.

That afternoon, she hid under a table in a room filled with refugees. When the soldiers came to the building, asking for girls, the older women called out: "Where's little Gabi?" and pulled her out from underneath the table. "I feel hatred rising up inside of me," she writes. She was dragged off to a ransacked house. "I have no tears," she writes. The next morning, it was the women, once again, who "pushed" her into the arms of a "greedy officer." "I despise these women," she writes.

It went on this way, "relentlessly," for two weeks. After that, she was taken in at a farm, where she managed to hide from the soldiers.

COLD MOTHER......

When Köpp finally found her mother in Hamburg, after being a refugee for 15 months, she wanted to show her the letter. But the mother, who had not expected to see her daughter again, greeted her coldly, holding out her cheek to be kissed.




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Suggested Reading


Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen?: Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945 by Gabi Köpp



In Germany, this was the first book published on the sexual violence carried out by soldiers of the Soviet Army in occupied Berlin during World War II.

The author, 80-year-old Gabriela Koepp , broke a taboo of many years by the publication of such a book and was not afraid to put on the cover of the book the title "Why I did not have sex", and also gave her real name.

Note that the Russian government continues to deny the mass violence committed by Soviet troops on German women. Gobi Koepp said she still dreams of these horrors, and never in her life entered into a sexual relationship with men after the truama.

"The bedroom is full of people. They throw me on one of the beds. One of them wants to climb on me.  ... Enraged soldiers tearing at my clothes, but I manage to gain ground. I try to escape. One of them then throws me to the floor and beats me "- she writes in her book.

According to her, the phrase "Frau, Komm" ("Woman, come"), which the Soviet soldiers uttered was very scary for German women at the time. The epidemic of mass violence spread so much that the Vatican had expressed willingness to allow the abortion of some of the victims.

Earlier this topic was raised only in one book, "A woman in Berlin", whose author chose to remain anonymous. The woman died in 2001 aged 90 years. In 1950 the book was published in Britain and the U.S., but the German edition was banned.

2008 saw the German film "The Woman in Berlin" . The plot of the film revolved round bomb shelter in Berlin according to German journalist Marta Hillers. She says that during the first few days after the capture of Berlin she was repeatedly raped by Soviet soldiers. The same fate befell many hundreds of thousands of German women.

In an interview with Der Spiegel Koepp stressed that she considered herself bound to tell about the atrocities of the Soviet Army on behalf of all the victims, because "there was no longer anyone else to do it."

In 1945 she was only 15 years old.

According to experts, each of the victims  whose ages ranged from 9 to 90 years old, on an average of were raped 12 times - in 1945 in Berlin, by some 5 million Soviet soldiers. For many women aged 80 to 90 years, this act of violence proved fatal.

"A WOMEN IN BERLIN": GREAT WW2 MOVIE


"A Woman in Berlin" recounts the experiences of a German woman (Nina Hoss) during 8 weeks of the Battle of Berlin, April to June 1945, as the Soviet Union's Red Army overran parts of the city, and German civilians struggled to find food and shelter from mortars and snipers, as well as from the invading soldiers. After she and the women of her neighborhood are raped and beaten repeatedly by Red Army soldiers, she determines to get as much control of her desperate circumstances as possible. She seeks out an officer of the Red Army to whom she offers herself in exchange for his protection. Rebuffed at first by Major Andrei Rybkin (Yevgeni Sidikhin), the two develop a fond relationship of mutual escapism from the horrors around them.

The protagonist is nameless. Until recently, she was known only as "Anonyma", the name under which she published her memoirs in Germany in 1959. They were not well-received. The author was accused of shaming German women with her descriptions of prostitution for protection. The memoirs were not published again until 2003, when "A Woman in Berlin" became a bestseller in Germany, and its author's identity was revealed as Marta Hillers. Hillers was a journalist and minor Nazi propagandist who spoke German, Russian, and French. There is reportedly some material in the book that was not in her diaries from 1945, so it may have been embellished for publication, though the circumstances are similar to many other accounts of civilian experiences in parts of the city controlled by the Red Army during the Battle of Berlin.

There are nasty scenes of battle, as remnants of the German Army try to defend the city against an angry and marauding Red Army, with civilians caught in the crossfire. The Battle of Berlin created one of the most hellish environments in modern times. It has been the setting of a couple of very good films in recent years, perhaps because the devastation was rendered so visually. It is almost as if nothing need be said, making it ideal for the medium of film. "A Woman in Berlin" doesn't actually have a lot of dialogue. It's quiet. The expressions on people's faces match the city in ruins around them. It is unsentimental. Anonyma and Andrei are not heroic, perhaps not even respectable. They are just people trying to make the best of horrible circumstances. In German and Russian with English subtitles that cannot be turned off.





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This is a well researched and written account of the fall of Berlin. It fills a void somewhere between Cornelius Ryan's "The Last Battle" (excellent for the casual historian) and Read and Fisher's "The Fall of Berlin" (a more detailed and lengthy account). It's a good mesh of historical background and personal experiences from the battle. Most of the criticisms I have read about the book seem more motivated by a "Politically Correct" approach to history than by the truth. German atrocities throughout the war are well documented and are not the focus of this book. The Red Army DID(by all accounts save their own) engage in widespread rape and looting in eastern Germany and Berlin. Beevor gives a balanced account - he does not glorify German resistance, Nazism, or the Soviet advance. He simply tells what happened. Rape is a predominant theme in the book, but it was a predominant concern of the German women, and a fact of the war. This is a solid piece of work on one of the greatest human dramas in history. Don't let those with a hidden agenda steer you away from this book.
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45 Comments:

prospicit said...

The German soldiers burned Russian women and children alive, hanged them, and also took pictures with them after killing and stuffing their bodies with straw. Considering that forced intercourse is wrong, would you think that that if Russian soldiers just returned the favor and had done to German women what Germans done on Russian soil, the public outcry would be virtually nonexistent? We don’t hear anybody in Europe expressing any outrage of the inhuman German soldiers.

Snozzle said...

Gee whiz, prospicit, I note that you are from Haifa. So, you know, at least you could read the above article properly before the usual knee-jerk response. I compliment you on your restraint in not claiming the article was anti-semitic, tho'. FACT: the reviewer said that author found the Russian army raped Ukrainians and Poles on the way to Germany, and even raped Russian women too, so the excuse of revenge does not wash.
FACT: Actually, the Ukrainians did and still do complain about Russian treatment of them. Stalin killed more people (yes, people)than the NAZIs, and many deaths occurred during the famine which he enforced on Ukraine for their reticence to get with the Bolshevik program. FACT: Nestor Makhno led the Makhnovite Rebellion which created an anarchist state in Eastern Ukraine and held the Russians at bay by copying them - using their own brutal methods against them. FACT: It is a quirk of history or maybe even just a glib re-writing of it, that the role of the anarchists in the Russian Revolution has been expunged from the books. FACT: The failed revolution in 1905 led to much Jewish emigration to USA. (Many came back to help after 1917). The February 1917 revolution was mostly anarchist. The October 1917 revolution was Bolshevik - including many leaders who were ethnic Germans and many of Jewish descent - including Lenin, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev - and they annihilated the anarchists. (Although in turn Stalin killed most of them in anti-Jewish purges of the leadership in 1936-40). Makhno's struggle against the Bolsheviks and their terror police the Cheka in the Ukraine must be seen against the background of these events. So, yes, prospicit, folks did 'rage' against the Russians - by taking up arms against them.

kbn said...

" ...U.S. soldiers from their truck looked on at all this with

eyes wide open..."
Antony Beevor, Laurence Rees, Chris Bellamy, Richard Evans, John Erickson, Allan Hall... ! Where are this authors from?.. it looks like a typical british/american propoganda!

Anonymous said...

Damn beasts

Anonymous said...

Where photographs of victims? Why are only some pictures, reminiscent of Nazi propaganda?

Beaver interviewed victims of rape? No? From then data about 1.5 million? Why not 3 million, or 1.280 thousand?

Where did Beevor statistics? Or is this not a story but a continuation of propaganda?

Where evidence not 2-3 women, but at least 150-200 thousand documented evidence of the raped women of these millions?

Anonymous said...

No surprise that half the respondents doubt this atrocious moment in history ever took place. Their rape apologist attitude makes them just as bad as any Nazi and I hope they realise this and hang their heads in shame.

Anonymous said...

This site is clearly trying to be as pro-nazi as it can get away with. Rape is the norm, not the exception, of every warzone. Maybe the Russians encouraged it and maybe they did it on a larger scale, but the Rape of Nanking by the japanese is well documented and equally if not more horrific. This article completely ignores German atrocities, the nazis literally thoguht of the russians as sub-human, so its no wonder that this nazi site is attempting to validate that. If Germany had taken control of Russia it owuld have been another holocaust, but for slavs. Rape is horrible and shouldn't be hidden, but the fact is the nazis would have gladly killed all the russians and tried to. Rape is bad, genocidal murder is far worse.

Anonymous said...

Yes. the rape apologist attitude makes them as bad as any Nazi. It also shows that they "think", for want of a better word, like rapists and paedohphiles who try to rationalise their behaviour. There is a certain irony to these people trying to act so moral because they at least have the sense to see the horror of Nazism when they fail to see the horror of sexual violence for what it is.

lennie said...

how can people dismiss this as propoganda. atrocities were carried out throughout the second world war and many wars after. i fear another conflict, possibly a third world war where even worse acts would be inflicted on innocent civilians. the russins raped freed russian women prisoners of war so i think they were out of control barbaric soldiers.

Anonymous said...

>>July 8, 2011 6:43 AM
> Where evidence not 2-3 women, but at least 150-200 thousand documented evidence of the raped women of these millions?

Where the evidence that it did NOT happen? lol

Anonymous said...

>Where the evidence that it did NOT happen?

Where is the evidence that Americans are being raped five million German women? French - 7 million? A British - 4 million German men?

Where is the evidence that you are not a Martian?

Anonymous said...

>ennie said

the russins raped freed russian women prisoners of war so...


On what specifically you are referring to archival materials? Where exactly?
Which camp?

Anonymous said...

Ok I have definitely seen what Prospicit said in a MOVIE! Other than that I am calling bull, That has got to be what of thee dumbest things I have heard EVER about the Wehrmacht. "Today the German army took their time away from fighting the communists to burn people and then take their insides out and stuff them with straw and then after that they continued to Stalingrad." What a stupid comment, and yes people do complain about what the soviets did, just type soviet war crimes into Google! Not all Germans were Nazi's and not all Nazi's were bad, they were not the most evil people in the world, they didn't create evil! For the love of all that is true and makes sense please think!! What soviets did before, during and after the war was worse than the Nazis! What Pol Pot did to thousands if not millions was worse than the Nazis! What Mao did to his own people was worse than the Nazis. In the war the Germans military was one of the nations with the least amount of rape and theft, says a lot about some of the others. The Japanese and Russians were some of the worst powers in the world at that time and in the war. Furthermore this site is not pro-Nazi, just because you refuse to believe something because every other line doesn't say "German women was raped, she killed innocent people. This young German girl who was about 10 was gang raped, she was also a helper in the murder of people" doesn't make it not true nor does it make this site pro-Nazi. Some of thee most arrogant comments I have ever heard.

In the end the soviets had no excuse to rape their own, rape those they did in Poland, Ukraine, and other eastern European countries and Germany. The brutal killings they did even after the war no excuse covered and you know that.

Anonymous said...

My Father has been keeping a war crime secret his whole life. He and another soldier came upon a group of Russians brutally raping a couple of teenage German girls. The Russians laughed and offered the two young Americans "seconds". At that moment my Dad and his peer killed the Russians with his M-1 and a 45. He is now 86 years old and in poor health, yet still afraid of being charged with a war crime.

Anonymous said...

Boo effing hoo. Germans did much worse than that everywhere they went and they started the war in the first place. Every one of their women deserved to be raped and murdered just like the Germans did. Lesson for crybaby Germas: Next time you animals start a war for a pack of mad dog psychopaths, be prepared to accept the consequqnces. P.s.: LOL at your precious "racial purity" when your pantywaist armies were too weak to defend your women from the REAL master races. Nazis are the stupidest filth that ever existed. If I were a Russian I would have raped and killed every last one of you animals.

Anonymous said...

Red Army was an army of animals, how do you justify the raping and plunder from the other countries, it happen in Ukraine,Romania,Poland everywhere the army of animals crossed and that army made more victims then then German one. I'm not German but i know from my grandmother what the great Red Army did, you Russians should shut up and stop being so proud of the massacre you did during WW2. Animals

Anonymous said...

Russian animals and beasts are todays treat to the world. You will do it to americans, chinese or anyone else. You are beasts with no emotions. Well, try to come to my country

Anonymous said...

Letter to the City Council of Atlanta (12 September 1864)

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

William Tecumseh Sherman

Anonymous said...

Damn Ruskies!! May their grandchildren suffer a similar fate.

Anonymous said...

There were no gas chambers in Auschwitz. It is all propaganda propagated by the likes of Steven Speilberg. Jews just want the millions of dollars in aid from Deutschland! They are good in making even from their dead ancestors. Filth!

Anonymous said...

To Boo effing hoo from 10/9/2011 at 06:04 am .

You are just as pathetic as the Nazis. In fact, you meet basically every criterion that would have been required of a "good Nazi".

1.) You appear to have no compassion for non-combatants. In fact, you feel that you have license to classify anyone as a combatant purely based on their nationality. Even children are apparently fair game in your eyes.

2.) You dehumanize all Germans by referring to them as "animals" and use that along with distributed guilt as justification for committing atrocities against them. The Nazis also dehumanized and ascribed distributed guilt to all Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and others and then used that as license to do the same as you advocate doing to all Germans.

3.) You would have raped and killed every last one? Genocide is acceptable to you, eh?

I've heard that those that most vehemently and virulently oppose some group or issue are typically those that have the most in common with that group or issue. The vitriol is a self-defense mechanism triggered by the internal struggle between your conscience (which you seem to lack) and your true feelings on the subject.

BTW, if you had been a Russian and entered the American zone to perpetrate your little genocide game, you would have been shot down just like all the other racist scum that tried to fulfill their ethnic cleansing agenda in our zone.

Anonymous said...

I agree, there are no nationalities in a moral right or wrong action..right is right and wrong is wrong, anybody justifying their actions by nationalistic standards are exactly the same as their supposed proponents

Anonymous said...

I'm a German and was born in Berlin after WW2.
All my Aunts, my Mother, my Grandmother, the Mother of my Sister were raped.
The Mother of my sister has died after several gang-rapes.
My most liked aunt had several gang-rapes, and for that lost her sexuality. The result was, that she later hanged herself to death (1953)

Anonymous said...

This story is not new, it was known even in the autuum of 1945 in Denmark.
What seems to be missing here are several points. The russians used to some extend peasant soldiers from asian provinces for the final fightings. They wanted to spare "proper" russians, and at the same time diminish russian minorities. Some of these units were encouraged to rape german women, as their rewards after the fighting. That is not news either.

But in the context: Rape is better than death. We all have a hard time today understanding what things were like at the time. Rape is illegal and unpleasant. But to survive is more important.

Now someone might look into accusations of rapes committed by US soldiers. Or atrocities.

Any army will hold its fair share of psychopaths. And there was no publicity, when US personnel digressed.
They were solemly sent back to the states, and the cases buried in the archives.

Anonymous said...

When you encourage young men to go out and kill other young men, and to be killed in turn, it is no wonder that at the end terrible acts are going to occur. It is not a matter of whether they were Russian, or German or American, or any other nation for that matter. War creates monsters, and monsters commit atrocities. The solution is to stop warring! Realize that this is not a race issue or a nation issue. This is a HUMAN issue. Decent men do not advocate killing others for revenge and especially not the offspring or kin or countrymen of those that offended them! Decent men act decently in all circumstances and do not stoop to revenge. Vengeful men create wars, and wars create atrocities, which in turn create more vengeful men and more wars, and the cycle is perpetuated! The solution: Stop seeking revenge and seek understanding instead!

Anonymous said...

As long as money rules the world, we'll have wars. You can cry for peace and civility but you're wasting your breath.

taiwi said...

Just a question? Who has started the war, killed millions of russian women, children, men....and destroyed nearly whole Russia? Who has killed millions of german, austrian, polish, czechoslowakian, french, danish, jugoslavian citizens, who has brought to the superiority "camps of dead" in Treblinka, Matthausen...etc. ? I see it just simple: german women (please note they are still alive able to speak about this ......thousands of russian women have had never the possibility to speak, because they have just been shoot...) had to pay the price for guilty of german men and german nation. I am also part Russian and I want to write: If it was me, who had lost the entire family....I would like to burn whole Germany into ground and no more German would exist more in accordance to their actions during WW2. Of course, these ladies were victims and russian boys were pigs time to time......but it was war. War started by Germans.....
One beast has beaten another. Good for me....I Germans won, I would be never born.

Anonymous said...

In a war, any war, the assemblance of anything you were before the war is gone. You are no longer a banker or a shop keeper, you are a killer. This is now your job and duty. Ugly as it is. I see very little difference in the German Socialist army (NAZI) and the Russian Socialist army (Red) They both inflicted terrible atrocities on other human beings (non combatants) because the were unarmed, out numbered and vulnerable. Armed soldiers (combatants) were shot to death or in some cases hung. But in both cases, the Soviet army and the German armies gave up any right to call themselves 'soldiers' once these mass atrocities began and perpetuated. As long as there is recorded history, I believe that that both Red army and Nazi army will be remembered as ruthless thugs whom did not have enough honor or dignity to even wear a uniform. Now there is some good news for any of you Russians or Germans who are reading this post. There is the possibility that another Ice Age will come to the earth, and this, and only this will wipe away the history of what your fathers and grandfathers did to women and children for the glory of your Fatherland and Motherland. In contrast, my father was in the 89th infantry under George Patton's command, and they drove Hitler so far back, that he killed himself. All of his immediate staff, his girlfriend. They died by their own hands. I'm very proud of my father, he was a soldier that showed honor, courage and compassion when faced with what you did to each other. Shame on you both, forevermore.

Anonymous said...

To the moron above, it was the Russians that defeated the Reich at a high price, not idiotic Americans whose only real battle ever against an equal opponent was the "Battle of the Bulge" LOL (if you can call it that, given the Heer and Waffen-SS were exhausted by 5 years of war). This is why this one battle gained a mythical status among afficionados of the US army. But there were thousands of engagement slike that on the Eastern Front.

Granted, you morons didn't have Burger King in your army camps yet
at the time. Must have been hard, eh?

Everything else the US army did since 1944 was just a cakewalk, supported by maximal bombardment of civilians (Germany, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc etc). These days you're so piss-poor at everything you can't even beat half-naked mudslims in their desert. What a joke.

Plus, half of the US soldiers in WWII were direct descendants of Germans immigrants so they fought against their country and their race (just because the average White guy loves nothing better tha blindly following orders and fighting for banking interests, instead of standing for his own). If I was one of those losers or their descendants, I would just shut up and make myself very small...

Anonymous said...

I think too many of us choose to blame single countries and nationalites with a general responsibility for the atrocities in war. As if proving that one country behaved shamefully should somehow overshadow and dismiss the awful behavior of another. The truth is, no-body on this forum was around to see the horror of WW2, yet they are able to form these convictions as if they have experienced the violence firsthand. I think we need to look at history as a complete picture, with consideration for ALL of the atrocity, and tack it on not as another condemnation of one single country and its people, rather as a blemish of mankind itself and the horrible things we are capable of. This is unfortunately why wars begin. Because everyone needs to be separate and clearly defined as something they can hold onto. Because without being White, Black, Asian, Latino, Middle-Eastern, a soldier, a banker, a nurse, a cop, a salesman, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Republican, Democrat, poor, rich, a son, a father, a mother, a daughter, a lover, what the hell are you? Ask yourself that.

peksy86 said...

I do not know if this is true, I was not there, I cannot comment. No doubt it would have happened somewhere as that is the nature of uncivilised people, unfortunately there are way too many uncivilised people worldwide for my liking. War is a terrible thing and as I have said many a time, the world was doomed from the point the idea of the weapon was conceived. The difference between man and animal is morality and the strength and conviction of those morals. Anyone who breaks any of the 10 sins is a criminal and is not civilised, regardless of what they have been through or where they are from, there is no excuse. I am not religious, but I do believe in the basis of most religions, treat others how you wish to be treated. If everyone did this, the world would would be a wonderful place to live.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised soldiers would rape any women in contemporary warzones given the plethora of whorehouses made available to soldiers in need of busting a nut. Seriously.

Firestata said...

What comes around goes around. Nazi Germany raped, killed and plundered first. Of course they get payment back with the same currency. Complaining about the "poor german women" beeing raped is simply moral lazyness.

If no mutual agreement exist (THAT WORKS IN PRACTICE AS WELL), the only justice is "An eye for an eye.."

A flawed justice is better than no justice. It might be tragic to say but the comcept of fairness and justice weights heavier than life, death and the right to your own body.

Anonymous said...

It is very amazing to see how humans who were bakers, farmers, bankers, school teachers and plumbers who were married, had kids, went to church on Sunday, were part of a small community where very small crimes were punished severely ...... can descend into that dark place where they can kill, rape, and torture without shame or remorse. Humans are amazing creatures.

Anonymous said...

It's true that war brings out the savagery of base primal behavior, where humans do what they did as uncivilized animals. It is ugly, and mean, and the rules of "civilization" don't apply. What would a pack of dogs do? They would rape and kill. They would eat each other if they were desperately hungry. Raping is part of almost any war. Sometimes it is dressed up to look like prostitution, but it's still basic raping.

BunBun4life said...

PREVIOUS QUOTE (by anonymous coward) May 13, 2011 3:18 PM Anonymous said...
Where photographs of victims? Why are only some pictures, reminiscent of Nazi propaganda?

Beaver interviewed victims of rape? No? From then data about 1.5 million? Why not 3 million, or 1.280 thousand?

Where did Beevor statistics? Or is this not a story but a continuation of propaganda?

Where evidence not 2-3 women, but at least 150-200 thousand documented evidence of the raped women of these millions?


#1 WHY NO PICTURES? Are you insane? Who would take those pictures? Are you retarded?

Secondly, let's flip it around. Everything you said, but in regards to the jews, not german rape victims. I've heard exactly the same arguments, and quite frankly, the 'lie of 6 million' backs evidence that the number is grossly exaggerated looks solid. You're just a pathetic rape apologist.

Anonymous said...

BunBun4life Face the facts the Russian men for the most part (not all but most) are drunken idiots even today and that's why Russian women try to marry western men, just look on the internet. In ww2 I'm sure they were worse living in as backward country as the USSR was at that time, 2 to 3 million sounds way more accurate than 150k.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who is spewing hate towards any nationality or country is no different from people who start wars which are usually based on the idea that some nations are better then others.

I don't think one can find a war in the history of wars where rape did not happen.

The only way to stop history from repeating itself is to stop the hateful ideas that some nationalities and countries are better then others.

Blame some people over others is what leads to future wars.

The lesson that can be learned here is war brings out the worst in people.

You can only judge others if you have been in their shoes. Read individual accounts by German and Russian soldiers and you will learn that most of them were fighting for the countries and families and were manipulated by their leaders, and deserve credit for their bravery.

Anonymous said...

i am from greece and i am an christian orthodox these crimes are the actions of hell on earth the only thing that i can say is that things like that are happening today take a look at night when boys and girls sale their bodies for a few euros in order to buy drugs and get raped by our fellow people every night again and again war is not the reason of those rape the only reason is that they had the freedom to do it

Anonymous said...

Says the guys that lost the first war in Afghanistan against the same people. And was that why your God/Comrade Stalin begged repeatedly for the Allies to open a Western Front, and ordered US forces to halt short of Berlin and let the Russians take it?

Anonymous said...

I am not German nor Russian, but ww2 is most interesting subject to me.
I have watched many ww2 movies also read many books.
In my opinion the rape on German women after war is outcome of 6 years of ww2 in Europe, Hitlers aggression , propaganda by Nazi,blind faith of Germans on Hitler and his Nazi party.
what is happened is very cruel and unforgiven. we all should learn lesson from this and never to repeat this history . be a good civilized human being ,god bless us all

Bruno Dias said...

there are comments here who stick disgust. the rape of women and children is a heinous crime, but there are people here who defendim it just because they were German. There are people who are authentic monsters.

Anonymous said...

This issue will be debated for any decades to come. Some comments are rather simplistic and lack any form of intellectual thought or historical accuracy. It is truly amazing how many posters base their "historic" views based on conjecture, emotion and ignorance. Some people are just not comfortable with the actual facts that are based on scientific research methods, and are irrefutable. We can all agree that during armed conflict, atrocities occur indiscriminately, regardless of origin. It is true that during desperate times, people behave differently, for the most part, than they would in a society governed by codes of conduct, including, but not limited to religion, criminal/civil law, community standards to list but a few of mechanisms of a civilized society that demands self-control and regulation. It's important to remember to not paint every person with the same brush. We are each individuals with the capacity to think and form our own opinions separate from the State or Church, and any other firmly entrenched institution. We have the choice to listen to inner voice (conscience mind), or ignore our "moral compass", and follow the herd of sheep. More often than not, the human species is often it's own worst enemy. You don't need to point out the cruelty of the Second World War to make your point. Most people get it. Better yet, look around you TODAY!!! The entire planet is in a frantic race to the bottom. As the old saying goes, "Those that do not learn from history are bound to repeat it". Humans have a very short attention span, and lack the capacity to think in a linear pattern. We are conditioned to look for the "quick fix", rather than long term and sustainable solutions, especially on a global scale. What we will witness is the de-evolution of the human race in the decades to come. Unfortunately, humankind will not take the appropriate action before we implode as a "civilized" population. There is a slow and systemic erosion of human rights across the planet, even in so-called democratic states. It is so subtle that most "sheep" don't even notice the change. I'm not paranoid, just a realist who has been paying attention. I don't want to "excite" the dooms day prepers, they are already converted to the notion of an "any-day-now" apocalypse. Well, enough of the daily rant. I will leave you all with this famous quote: " Absolute power corrupts absolutely". Remember that on voting day! And for sake of your future, get out and vote!!!!

arynasmail said...

The whole subject is blown out of proportion considering true facts of WWII--most of the so called rape of German women by Soviet soldiers is simple propaganda and had nothing to do with reality. It seems that downplaying Soviet people's role as WWII victors has become a very important agenda for some western circles. Clearly, some people are very interested in demonizing Soviet soldiers with every possible mean available to them--it is heavily sponsored area and most of it is horrifying lye. Anyone who pays close attention to their arguments can identify that there is NO solid evidence what so ever to support their claims. Just saying that "something" happened does not mean that it actually happened, yet the intentional smearing is going on and on. How much credibility is there in all of this "made by order" propaganda? Knowing where "the legs" are growing from -- I would have to say NONE.
Speaking of the TRUTH...Are any of you aware that in 1964 there was an announced search for the German girl who was saved by Russian soldier Nikolay Masalov in Berlin (he is the prototype of the soldier from Treptower park monument). The "look for the girl" was announced in German newspaper "Junge Welt", and 198 German women came forward claiming that they were "the girl" who was saved by a Russian soldier in Berlin. However, even though they were all saved by various Russian soldiers (some of whom died while saving those children), none of those ladies happened to be "the real girl". Please feel free to verify the facts-- it is all credible. Why am I typing this? Simply to illustrate reality of who were the monsters and who were the heroes. Considering that Fascists are responsible for deaths of 50 millions Soviet people (dead and unborn)...and, yet, Russian soldiers were saving German children....So, who are the real monsters??? Ask yourself what is the truth before getting all emotional about false claims.
On the other hand, are you aware, that both, American and French soldiers raped German women? I bet not. And why no one talks about that? Ask yourself WHY? "Recorded" rapes by American soldiers went unpunished if they were white, but...that being said, black American soldiers were executed for the rape of German women (do not be surprised...it was still time of segregation in USA). As to lovely French army, well, they have had "Moroccan grenadiers" (African troopers), and there is a horrific record of them mass raping over 300 German women in underground metro station, and that was going on for days. So, why NO ONE talks about that?
So, lets not kid ourselves with fiction predatory accusations toward Soviet Army. One thing is real, if there is a massive propaganda of such type -- there is an "interested side" who manipulates...

Chloe Sellers said...

None of us know what we would have done, on any side. We weren't there. Both the Nazis and the Russians did horrible things, and atrocities were committed against innocents on all sides. It was the worst war in history. I see little point in debating who was the darker culprit, under these circumstances... and I would offer sympathies to any human being who was apart of it.

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